Perhaps after that certain reasoning into extended generations abruptly appearing inside the the fresh heraldry will come so you’re able to white

Perhaps after that certain reasoning into extended generations abruptly appearing inside the the fresh heraldry will come so you’re able to white

I think Tim might possibly be send the newest goes through of the photo to help you their webpages, and can post you to definitely link to the newsgroup.

Re: Wingfield Coats-of-Palms

connections of one’s players, (the fresh new Wingfields was researched rather well, and you will despite my typo for the Howard family unit members, I really do have the pedigree correctly annotated here in RI) >>

I am not sure this might be an accurate declaration. Do their guide address the newest age bracket *prior* to John Russell who elizabeth mom and dad from Elizabeth Russell just who yards Sir Robert Wingfield ?

Re: ? Comyn spouse of Malise

You will find another in order to submit some of the gaps you let you know forthe great-grand-parents off Reginald le Cheyne. Among primaryadditions stems from his paternal granny (NN on the blog post) havingbeen Mary de- Moravia (als de- Moray), cousin and coheiress from Freskinde Moravia out of Duffus (their moms and dads Walter de Moravia and you may Euphemia ofRoss come less than). You have the question concerning his maternalgrandmother: I keep she is actually Joanna de- Menteith, second spouse regarding Malise,Earl off Strathearn. This will at the least provide a near explanationfor Joanna’s daughter Helen from Strathearn (partner Charleston, AR women datng sites successively ofReginald le Cheyne, the daddy, as well as Sir David de- Graham) beingnamed for Helen de Menteith, aunt away from Joanna and you may wife out-of Sir ColinCampbell out-of Lochow (d. bef Could possibly get 1343).

Unfortunately, I think you’ll find additional openings into the Muriel Keith’sancestry (look for lower than). On often enhancements recommended on the tablesbelow, excite recommend of every detailed problems, or just what documentationmight mean people error detailed.

We have holes in both ancestries, however, fiercely because from Reginald.To have Muriel Keith, their high-grandparents I show1 William de Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton

I am not alert to any records supporting the identification on the partner as the Barbara Seton. If you have noted any, please recommend.

3 Alexander de Synton4 NN5 Alexander from /Fraser/ Chamberlain away from Scotland d step 3 Aug 13326 Mary de- Brus, Baroness /Fraser/

Sir Alexander Fraser married Mary Bruce (otherwise de- Brus), together with a young man John identified as ‘nepos’ off Robert _the_Bruce. Which young buck is a young John, but not, and never his heir. John Fraser, later lord regarding Aboyne, is actually new son away from a first relationship (it spouse not familiar; I’ve it on the expert regarding Andrew MacEwen).

3 Walter de- Moravia (young man from Hugh de- Moravia, and you will Annabela out of Fife) 4 Euphemia from Ross (dau. from Fearchar, first Earl of Ross and you may NN deBrus)

5 Malise, sixth Earl away from /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN possibly Comyn d aft 13097 Sir John de- Menteith (child regarding Walter Stewart, Age out-of Menteith and you may

This new consanguinity ranging from Muriel Keith and you can Reginald le Cheyne -proven to were good-grandson regarding Malise, Earl out of Strathearn (d.1312) – ‘s the only facts (if the indirect) these particular a couple individualshad a minumum of one predecessor/ancestress in accordance.

I’ve openings both in ancestries, however, fiercely where from Reginald.Getting Muriel Keith, their own high-grandparents I show1 William de Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton3 Alexander de Synton4 NN5 Alexander away from /Fraser/ Chamberlain off Scotland d step three Aug 13326 Mary de- Brus, Baroness /Fraser/eight NN Fraser8 NN

To possess Reginald ce Cheney it is sparse1 NN Cheney , dos NN, step 3 NN, 4 NN5 Malise, 6th Earl out of /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN perhaps Comyn d aft 13097 and you can 8 NN

Re: Agnes Beler

Woodford, very early 15the century, when you look at the Leicestershire. Elizabeth was brand new d Villiers and you may Agnes Beler. Now, I wish to hook up Agnes so you can Sir Roger Beler, murdered by Eustace de- Folville, however, I am unable to pick people information regarding her. Can individuals assist?